Do Civil Engineers prepare, signed and sealed architectural documents in your country?
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Permalink Reply by dharmesh makwana on -
yes, in india too civil engineer are allowed to execute all activities mentioned by u....
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Permalink Reply by Nikita on -
Ukraine. Since USSR, earlier then 1970 yy we do. It is normally to prepare, sign & stamp. But allowing documentation is exclusive rule of arch department of city. What you mean on "civil engineers"? We have architects, constructors, electric designers, vent des-s, water&faecal engineers, many other engineers, all civil.
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Permalink Reply by María Graciela Oberto Nunes on
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Yes, they do it in Venezuela too.
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Permalink Reply by Elmer T. Mercado on -
The latest Philippine Architecture Law, under Section 20 ( 5) of the Architecture Act of 2004, clearly stipulates that. . . .
(5) All architectural plans, designs, specifications, drawings and architectural documents
relative to the construction of a building shall bear the seal and signature only of an architect
registered and licensed under R.A. No. 9266 together with his/her professional identification
card number and the date of its expiration.
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Permalink Reply by irgeorgepecore on -
I couldn't agree more! It's a new laws but not implemented due to public demand. There are lots Civil engineering Constructions firms who are veteran in Building Construction and they are against for it. Human laws sometimes are againt's GOD's command. For me, there's no problem with it if you know know all the aspects of building Construction and it's structural stability and function. But right now, Architects are more well train when it comes to design function from medium to high rise Construction. While Civil Engineers are more on Structural designing and Infrustructures...
Well, according to the Bible, we're ALL created as equal! as they say, "Democracy arose from anyone's thinking that if they are equal in any respect, they are equal absolutely.” "There is no such thing as an underestimate of average intelligence." - we can't underestimate but we have to respect their rights. In the long run, we don't know exactly the reasons why? and can't predict. - We're just only following rules, the Code of Conduct ethical standard and let's enjoy our responsibility of who really we are as a human.
In fact, even if they are not an Architects/engineers, if they are train well/educate thru theories and research and train them like maestro de ubras and all fuctions in every aspects of designs, most likely they knows that! But, in our case here, due to rules and regulations,one must secure first before going thru it! am i right? However, majority of people are just doing their own rights just simply because they want to earn a living. They don't care about the rules but instead, put something in their own empty stomach. Lots of intelligent people,but the only difference is - they can't understand the Rules of law sometimes!
...and for the laws listed/stated above RA 9266 law, That's interesting, since I imagine the majority of houses in the Philippines today have not been designed by an architect. My opinion is based on the idea that there are many buildings that can be safely and competently designed and built under the supervision and expertise of an experienced contractor and/or designer without the specific need for an architect or engineer. – and that’s a BIG question!Thanks and i respects everyone's attention! :)
"An Architect should not lose one's temper unless one is certain of getting more and more angry to the end" -
PEACE!
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Permalink Reply by M. Prabhakar Rao on -
No, in India only a member of CoA (Council of Architects) can sign Architectural Documents, which members needs to have a Five Year B.Arc. Degree as a minimum qualification, from a recognized institution.
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Permalink Reply by Ar. Sourav D on
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^ get ur facts right. civil enggs works as architects here in india(n enjoy equal rights as architects after 5yrs of professional practice, according to law) tho they are real amateur when it comes to designing... n the five year degree program is called B.Arch. are u drunk ?
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Permalink Reply by M. Prabhakar Rao on
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Ar. Sourav,
You better control your tongue, no need of using unparliamentary language, like are you drunk and such other dirty wording.
Real professionals with knowledge only state facts, without getting emotional and stooping to a level of low-lifes.
Are Civil Engineers allowed, legally, to practice Architecture is the question, not whether they are practicing it or not. For that matter many in many cased a certified drafts-man and mason jointly help construction of buildings of many owners.
It is below me to respond to any of your further comments, as I refuse to deal with culture-less guys.
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Permalink Reply by Ar. Sourav D on
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lol... what the F is "unparliamentary language" & "dirty wording" ?? hahahhaha where did ya develop your vocab from ?
the only thing that i make out of ur reply is that ur not drunk... u just behave like one :D
the question is not anywhere about practicing architecture, the question is - are civil engineers allowed to prepare, sign and seal building documents ? only a drunk or a M. Prabhakar Rao wd make a mistake like that in an otherwise simple question.
talking abt facts, yes, in India a civil engg is allowed to prepare, sign & seal the building documents required to pass them through the local municipal corporation to start a building process only if he has a bachelors degree in civil engg + 5 years of experience with himself registered to the concerned municipal authority whereas architects enjoy the same right as soon as they come out with a B.Arch degree(D.Arch for special universities) the only requirement is a COA registration.
now who's the real professional with knowledge n who's the emotional fool with a low life ?
i already know that ur certified drafts-man and mason jointly help in in ur practice.. no need to mention that!!
and abt "below u to respond" respond-below, below-respond.. shud i buy u a wren & martin ?
and.... I REFUSE TO DEAL WITH A KNOWLEDGE-LESS SELF-IMPOSED ARCHITECT
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Permalink Reply by Gil Vincent G. Japitana on -
CE works in India as architects' doesn't explains that CE can work as an architects. CE doesn't have planning skills, spatial functionality and architectural philosophy. CE focus to the physics of a naturally built environment while arki focus to Architectural Designs that covers PLanning, space programming and other arkitctural consideratons. the court was wrong to the decision made. look what happen to manila, that will happen if there is no spatial analysis by the architect.
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Permalink Reply by M. Prabhakar Rao on
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Ar. Sourav,
You better control your tongue, no need of using unparliamentary language, like are you drunk and such other dirty wording.
Real professionals with knowledge only state facts, without getting emotional and stooping to a level of low-lifes.
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Permalink Reply by irgeorgepecore on
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I couldn't agree more! It's a new laws but not implemented due to public demand. There are lots Civil engineering Constructions firms who are veteran in Building Construction and they are against for it. Human laws sometimes are againt's GOD's command. For me, there's no problem with it if you know know all the aspects of building Construction and it's structural stability and function. But right now, Architects are more well train when it comes to design function from medium to high rise Construction. While Civil Engineers are more on Structural designing and Infrustructures...
Well, according to the Bible, we're ALL created as equal! as they say, "Democracy arose from anyone's thinking that if they are equal in any respect, they are equal absolutely.” "There is no such thing as an underestimate of average intelligence." - we can't underestimate but we have to respect their rights. In the long run, we don't know exactly the reasons why? and can't predict. - We're just only following rules, the Code of Conduct ethical standard and let's enjoy our responsibility of who really we are as a human.
In fact, even if they are not an Architects/engineers, if they are train well/educate thru theories and research and train them like maestro de ubras and all fuctions in every aspects of designs, most likely they knows that! But, in our case here, due to rules and regulations,one must secure first before going thru it! am i right? However, majority of people are just doing their own rights just simply because they want to earn a living. They don't care about the rules but instead, put something in their own empty stomach. Lots of intelligent people,but the only difference is - they can't understand the Rules of law sometimes!
...and for the laws listed/stated above RA 9266 law, That's interesting, since I imagine the majority of houses in the Philippines today have not been designed by an architect. My opinion is based on the idea that there are many buildings that can be safely and competently designed and built under the supervision and expertise of an experienced contractor and/or designer without the specific need for an architect or engineer. – and that’s a BIG question!Thanks and i respects everyone's attention! :)
"An Architect should not lose one's temper unless one is certain of getting more and more angry to the end" -
PEACE!
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